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Hi jst for confirmation



both 7176 (Kingsfield) and 6704 (Young) are at the max.



Cheers Derek

Thank you very much.



Is there anything that I need to know about the mast step arrangements and location?

Hi AC-B,



In most circumstances the mast foot has to be as far forward as allowed by the rules.



Phil

A6504 "Nemesis"

Hi Andrew



In order to achieve max forward, if that's what you decide you need to make sure that the mast gate allows max movement forward (for downwind) and back (rake to depower in windy beating conditions). The two sections of the rules that cover this are.



9.9 The distance of the foreside of the mast, at deck level, from the aft face of the transom shall be not more than 3330mm or less than 3225mm. Rigid stops shall be fitted to prevent movement beyond these limits.

9.10 The fore side of the mast at the foot shall be not more than 3350mm or less than 3250mm from the aft face of the transom and the foot of the mast shall not be moved or be allowed to move while racing.



I have checked 7176 (kingsfield) and both foot and mast gate are at the max, as close as I can tell measuring myself in the rain!



Derek Gibbon 7176 & 6852

Chris

Dont forget we want your beautifully restored boat to go on the stand at next year's Dinghy Show as an example of what can be done - we have already booked its stand space

Jerry

Simple list of materials
1 sheet 6mm Gaboon ply for CB case 2 sheets 5mm Gaboon ply for tank sides and and bulkheads 3 sheets of 6mm sapele ply for decks and tank tops
1 board of sapele 16 foot by two inches by 10inches gunwales, thwart and carlin and cosmetic timbers and floor stiffners make sure when you order it that you ask for a plank with no short grain it will help
1 board of obeche same size as above for all internal structure and deck beams and stiffners in the tanks
Eposeal 300 5l for coating inside and outside of hull sp320 4kg for coating timber before paint and varnish sp106 5kg approx for sticking bonding and all associated jobs filler powders approx 5l paints and primers as required
hull and decks were painted with Car spray paint
I have no idea how long we took but best not to think about that and think about the sailing at the end might be described as a labour of love
give me a call if you want to chat
Chris
07941 301742

Derek - Thanks. I've sent a PM. (Parents' evening 6.45-7.30!)

Wow. This is possibly the best way of keeping people out of old boats that need work I have ever had the misfortune to see or hear. I assume at that rate every redeck / major repair would need to go through the whole rigmorole just to maintain the certificate. Its no wonder perfectly restoreable boats keep finding their way onto bonfires

Interesting thread guys, as someone who has just joined the class I m sure that there are many people who just want to buy an off the shelf boat a boat they can get in and sail without worrying whether they got a legal kingsfield, a Woof that was made to the right shape or the right vintage of Young. The fact that many of the top sailors in the fleet sail old boats is surely a great testament to the longevity of the design. The new boat looks like a great product and will surely attract new sailors to the class the class surely should welcome the new sailors that come with these boats and existing sailors who can upgrade thus releasing boats for new entrants in the secondhand market. It may be the case that my 3 year old speed boat is not as fast as my brothers Kingfield but I can be sure that is good value for money well sorted and doesn't need varnishing or screwing back together on a regular basis.



Old boats will inevitably be overtaken by newer boats and people will upgrade, of all the classes I have been involved with this is an inevitable fact of life it stimulates a flow of boats through the keen racers towards the new entrants. As Chris T rightly says, new sails well maintained foils and the correct setup along with time in the boat will more than offset any benefit a new boat will bring.



Andrew

8069(Still working out where the rig should go!!)

Andrew wrote:

.... It may be the case that my 3 year old speed boat is not as fast as my brothers Kingfield but I can be sure that is good value for money well sorted and doesn't need varnishing or screwing back together on a regular basis.



Andrew

8069(Still working out where the rig should go!!)

There is no reason why 8069 should be any slower than your brother's Kingsfield. 8068 won the Nationals in 2006 and was second in 2007. Orlando's view was that there was no such thing as a "quick boat", which was probably a big factor in why he went fast - he just got on with the sailing.

Well well well. Things have got a bit heated!



Today I spent some time on the phone to the technical dept at the RYA (the people who own the Albacore copyright, and in conjunction with the NAA) enforce the rules. My position as Chairman allows me the ability to get clarification on certain things no more or no less than any other personal member of the RYA. As a member of the NAA I have no more push/say/voting rights than any other member, so everything I say in this forum is a personal view on topics and usually ones that attempt to be fair level and for the good of the class and its' members. Not withstanding all of the above let me state for the record "Any alteration to any item which forms part of the measurement and subsequent issuing of a certificate by the RYA, can be re-checked at any time by the Association or race committee and it it is the sole responsibility of the owner to ensure that they comply with the rules.



So if you redeck, or re-transom, or re-centreboard etc. there is not a 100% requirement for being remeasured, the owness is on the owner to ensure it still measurers.



When I started this topic it was to try and encourage older boats' to realise that there are lots of things which if done properly and with some increase in understanding why some things work and when to apply certain controls, (ie you learn to be a better sailor) maybe more older boats will come to the championships and join in. I also said that the previous topic was suffering because we had gone off at a tangent. Well it has taken about a week for me to decide this one has gone the same way and I think I have failed in my attempt to steer it back.



Derek Gibbon

NAA member since 1985

ps I'm sure Andrews comments above about newer boats encouraging a cascade of boats down through the class is correct and despite comments elswhere about old boats heading for the bonfire, they won't, they will be fixed and "recycled" at the level they suit!

Derek Gibbon2008-10-01 08:48:09

John



I'm sure you are right and I'm certainly not going to get too worried about it I've got a good boat the foils are in good condition as are the spars and the sails, I'm sure any failing will be solely down to driver error!!!!

hello all
as my boat has come up in conversation a couple of times now I decided that I should put a photo album on the web so that people wanting to undertake a project could have a look and see if it was something they would be interested in doing there are some 40 photos from start to finish
we had to do everything as the boat was close to having to go on the bonfire and had lots of holes in the hull, rotten cb case and the decks were falling off.
www.cserve.co.uk/albgallery.html
regards

Chris

Hi Chris



It makes me smile with an imense sense of pride at your achievement, there are 44 pictures! They tell a wonderfull story. Is there any way you could put together some "words" describing the challanges and methods you used to TRANSFORM from start to finish?



Did you keep a note of the man hours that you put in and also the materials list? I know that once I start working on 435 I will have my work cut out, there are holes in the hull and it has no decks the bailers have been "pulled" out and the side tanks are rotten and once it dries out I will be able to tell if the wood in hull is soft or not. A winter project and a half. There will be photos, and hopefully in the spring a shiney "new" boat.



Derek Gibbon

Just to say "Thank you for posting that, Chris" and to second Derek's request.